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gato -

Simplified the formatting guide to reflect the new style.










muyongshi -

When I get around to it










muyongshi -

Dang you beat me!










muyongshi -



Quote:

Well I should be able to make CSS changes on the back end to get it looking how we want. What
changes do you reckon need to be made?

Can you tell me what the font sizes are preset to now from h1 down to h4 or h5.

Also if we could reduce the spacing in between each header that would be great.

A general rule in page layout (more familiar with that than HTML) is your H1 and H2 should have no
larger than a 2 pt. reduction in size and then after that no more than a 1 pt reduction per header
and usually by the time you get to H3 or H4 you are at a 12pt font

so

H1=16pt
h2=14pt
h3=13pt
h4=12pt
etc.

You usually will not get down to that many points and actually after h4 you may not reduce the
font size just change style.

Of course Style changes work great in the h1-h4 as well...










gato -

Currently, there seems to be two blank spaces between h1 and h2. Should be just one or maybe 1.5.
That may also be the case between the other headings.












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volga_volga -

is there an easy way to merge categories in ZDT? for eg I have lists for lessons 1 to 10, I'd like
to grow one list as I progress from lesson 1 up, instead of having 10 different word lists for
each lesson.

apart from merging/copy paste from one txt file (with word lists) to another, is there a way to
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Well, you could also export your list(s) and import them back in to the category you want to merge
into. Still, I realize that's not super convenient. Overhauling the category view is something
that's on my list of things to do.

Chris










volga_volga -

Oh, I didn't know I could import into a particular category! last time I checked, I couldn't find
it - but may be I checked an older version. Now I have found it and it almost solves my problem!
thank you Chris and what a fantastic tool you have created!!












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adrianlondon -

This isn't really anything to do with "Westerners" vs "Chinese". It's to do with "locals" vs
"foreigners".

Foreigners in Beijing are likely to be there for a reason such as study or contract work. Both of
these mean the person is only in china for a fixed amount of time. From 6 months to 2 years on
average. No one really wants to get into a deep relationship and then break it off before going
home.

It has to be real love to either change one's plans and stay in China, or to "import" your new
boy/girlfriend back to your own country when you leave.

So, most people will be looking just for sex and, if love comes on from that, then that'll be
dealt with as it happens.

You yourself say you're wanting to leave and study in the US. So, if you meet a nice boyfriend,
let's say one from England just as an example, and you fall in love ... then what? Either he'll go
back to England or you'll go to the US. Then the relationship ends (after a couple of months of
pretending it's working over emails, phione calls and MSN).



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Lu -

Reisen,
Please don't try so hard. Have fun, enjoy your student life. Meet people, be they male or female,
Chinese or foreigner, make friends. Maybe one of them will end up being your boyfriend, maybe not.
Being desperate for a man is generally not the best way to find a good one, be he foreign or
Chinese. Also, I think men prefer happy women who like their life over women who want a man to
fill their life for them.
And in the end, friends are more important than men. They can stay with you across time and
continents.

And take all my advice with a big grain of salt, as without trying too hard at all I've still been
single for the last five years or so.










elina -



Quote:


Originally Posted by muyongshi

you need to just relax and enjoy life and learn to be content being single. There are so many
thing that you can't do in a relationship that you can do when single. Relax and enjoy life! Then
in the right time the right guy will come along and you won't have to try so hard.




Quote:


Originally Posted by Lu

Please don't try so hard. Have fun, enjoy your student life. Meet people, be they male or female,
Chinese or foreigner, make friends. Maybe one of them will end up being your boyfriend, maybe not.
Being desperate for a man is generally not the best way to find a good one, be he foreign or
Chinese. Also, I think men prefer happy women who like their life over women who want a man to
fill their life for them.


I agree with the above. I think you’d better 随缘, but don’t refuse 一切缘, no matter
it’s from a Chinese or foreigner, then you’ll feel comfortable, free and happy.










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Quote:

Please don't try so hard. Have fun, enjoy your student life. Meet people, be they male or female,
Chinese or foreigner, make friends. Maybe one of them will end up being your boyfriend, maybe not.
Being desperate for a man is generally not the best way to find a good one, be he foreign or
Chinese. Also, I think men prefer happy women who like their life over women who want a man to
fill their life for them.
And in the end, friends are more important than men. They can stay with you across time and
continents.

And take all my advice with a big grain of salt, as without trying too hard at all I've still been
single for the last five years or so (Lu).

Well, I am an Asian dude from the US. Most people online from China, didn't have trouble making
friends with me; more people wanted to learn about the Western Culture. Besides the time zone
differences, school, etc. I rather suggest take one step at a time, as everyone mentioned on this
thread; there are so many combinations when selecting or foreign guys, there might be something
you like and don't like. As for being in a serious relationship is not on my mind at this point,
maybe down the road (See its really true point many people has commented).

Oh yeah, alot of people forgot to mentioned this; when you entered the US, depending which area
your planning to study abroad in the US. If you are heading into California, there will be alot of
Asian people there and NYC. However, there is not alot of Asians in the US (6%), so this would be
your culture shock; but this does increases your chances to find foreign friends here in the US.
But, I feel everyone's comments are very positive and realistic to the point. Most of the Western
world is very independent, so being over friendly or respectful is a give or take; not alot of
people know too much about the Asian culture, but there is are people yearning in wanting to learn
about Asian culture.










DarrenJew -

reisen

If your planning to go to the US to study next year... you'll find a dozen boyfriends to go out
with you. Asian girls are in demand in America. Caucasian guy's can't get enough asian girls.
Though you may find a lot of guy's to go out with you... take your time to find a good guy. There
are a lot of jerks out there and a lot that just want to take you to bed then move onto the next
girl... they will say anything to you to charm you. Not only white but black guys and lots of
lonely asian guys...Asian guy's are lonely because many asian women in america are choosing to go
out with white guys.










CheukMo -

I agree to a large extent with DarrenJew. Asian girls are really sought after in the U.S.

As for foreign guys, especially American guys, they are all looking for sex. Some may be open for
more (love) and some just want sex. As for Nanjing, just introduce yourself to some and see what
happens. Be a friend in helping some with their Mandarin, etc but don't commit to anything other
than being a friend. If they just want sex, they will stop paying attention to in a short amount
of time.










yonglin -



Quote:

Asian guy's are lonely because many asian women in america are choosing to go out with white guys.

Asian guys need to be more assserrtive.










reisen -

Well, Thanks so much for all the people.I have seen so many replys ^^ Thanks!

I just felt lonly and helpless, then started to think of having a boyfriend or something like that.
Maybe I should not expect that much. And adjust myself to new condition first.Maybe I should Try
to be happy and satisfied， and keep a quite mood.

My dream is traveling around the world with somebody I love, then when we getting old, build a
house in Germany or Scandinavia, and live there happiliy. We can share our memories together, help
with each other. I think sex is nice, but love is a more wonderful thing in this world, like you
can always think of the other one and he thinks of you. The world is so big and cold, and we are
all so lonly.

anyway, dream is only dream.
I should think more about being alone and happy. And realize my dream that travelling around the
world by myself.










Loriquero -

You should just make some friends

love is one of those things that you usually find when you are not seeking for it










Woodpecker -

"Reisen... be as idealistic as you want. But just remember few other people are so idealistic.
That's what makes idealism great, heroic and very difficult."

From what I've seen it's actually hard for both genders. Men have gained themselves a reputation
for wanting girls just for sex, and moving from one girl to another. For every Mr. Darcey (good
man) there are 5 Mr. Wickhams. Ironically, those very jerks seem to get the most attention from
girls. As a result, their victims get put off dating and it becomes that much harder for men who
are romantic idealists, good, honest and kind, to find their 'Princess'. The good guys pay for the
sins of the bad. On the other hand, there are some girls who are really quite unattractive in
terms of who they are. Gold diggers and selfish, controlling people who will marry to get what
they want not for love...you get the idea. Those people can put off the men and lose all hope of
finding a handsome, moral 'Prince'.

The best thing you can do is to make friends, and there is nothing wrong with that - they are the
ones who will support you in your lonely moments. Friendship builds trust, which is needed for any
relationship, friends or otherwise. If you meet a guy you like, then they will be more open to you
if they know you can be trusted as well. Some have had their fingers burned by female jerks.
You'll soon know if they are boyfriend material or not. At least, that's how I see it. And don't
have a relationship just for the sake of it.

Remember, there are good men out there (and good girls too!), so don't lose hope. Good luck!












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peahead -

oh? i have friends who'd been to BLCU before and they said the conference centre would be a good
choice to stay at...dorms are good too if you choose the right one, but what i've heard is that
you can't really book any of them until you're there in person

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Marisa -

franksank: I guess a month isn`t much time for them. Don't worry, some people wait for 8 weeks and
still get no reply. Just wait

As for the accomodation, I think I'll live on campus. People say, they've got some acceptable
single rooms. But I still hesitate, I'd like to live among foreign students, not Chinese. Someone
who's got more information, please, tell me










peahead -

when are you planning to get there franksank? are you planning to rent an apartment instead of
dorm then?










franksank -

In Rome do wat the romans do.I am planning to go for the accomadation provided unless something
really good comes up.Thanks for the reassuarance anyway.











franksank -

pea head:-- I have not decided yet.If the conditions are pretty bad Iwould be taking apartment.










zoelowey -

Hi. I sent in my Spring 2008 application in Aug '07. I haven't heard back from them. I am getting
concerned. Do you think I need to look into another school in Beijing? Any suggustions, besides
waiting.....










peahead -

zoe: from what i heard, i think BLCU is one of the best....i'm only hoping that it's still too
early for them to sort out the FEB applicants at the moment and they're reply back at around dec?

marisa: i think the dorms would be alright if you get the right ones, i.e. building 4, 14
etc...and they'll mostly be amongst the foreign students =)










Marisa -

peahead: But I never can be sure I get the right dorm, right?










franksank -

peahead:U can be right










zoelowey -

franksank, you mean you already got your acceptance letter? who else got there's? did you apply
for the regular or intensive course. i applied for the intensive, but now i want to change it to
regular and get a tutor on the side. i am wondering if i revise it, it will cause more confusion
and delays. oooh, my stomach is turning, just waiting.












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Kristyx -

I'm in China at the moment and am looking to pick up a couple of fiction titles, preferably
published this year, that haven't been translated into English. I don't want a throwaway read, I
want something of quality, but not particularly high literature. The English language books I like
are authors such as Ha Jin, Yiyun Li, Jodi Picoult... All entertaining reads, but also well
written.
So, does anybody have any suggestions? And if so would it be possible for you to list author and
title in Chinese?
Thanks.



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gato -

Try the recommendations here:
http://www. /showthread.php?t=18012
What should I read?

http://www. /showth...ies#post100779
Some recommendations for reading wanted.










Pravit -

I've noticed some bookstores can vary widely in the amount and type of fiction they carry. The big
bookstore in Xi'an is mostly classics, whereas the new one in Urumqi is chock full of all sorts of
modern fiction. As well as lots of Orhan Pamuk novels in Chinese translation, for some reason.










gato -



Quote:

whereas the new one in Urumqi is chock full of all sorts of modern fiction. As well as lots of
Orphan Pamuk novels in Chinese translation, for some reason.

That might be because Uighurs in Xinjiang culturally are cousins of the Turks. I've been told that
that the two languages are so close that Uighurs and Turks can understand each other's language
without any formal study. Another reason is that Orphan Pamuk won the Nobel Prize recently, of
course.










魔性的天使 -

My recommendation:

姜戎 《狼图腾》

黑鹤 《重返草原》

落落 《年华是无效信》

沧月 《镜》系列

……

Actually I think many prose collections are very good too...












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skylee -

Takeshi Kaneshiro , Andy Lau, Jet Li. In this order. (Strange, I would have thought that Jet Li
should come first; but perhaps the names are arranged in alphabetical order.) Big names, which are
why it has become my most anticipated film (well Lust Caution will be shown this month).

The film is directed by Peter Chan, a HK director, and will be released in December.

I wonder if Kaneshiro had shaved his hair for the film.

Trailer 1 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txyBNd25JmA

Trailer 2 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYaxtHMgILk

Website -> http://www.warlordsthemovie.com/



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Luobot -

Looks exciting! That was a rather short retirement for Jet Li. I guess he still hasn't found the
film that satisfies his acting urge.

Thanks also for the link to the website, which has higher quality trailers than Youtube's.










skylee -

Yes it looks exciting.

Strange thing - in trailer 2 when Jet Li is supposed to be saying 患難相扶, what I hear is
串難相扶. [perhaps an indicator that the role has already lost his heart, haha.]

And I think I'd never heard Jet Li speak in Cantonese until I saw that making of.










muyongshi -



Quote:

Looks exciting! That was a rather short retirement for Jet Li. I guess he still hasn't found the
film that satisfies his acting urge.

Did anyone really believe he would stay in retirement??


Quote:

Strange thing - in trailer 2 when Jet Li is supposed to be saying 患難相扶, what I hear is
串難相扶

I heard that too...i think it might be code...

It looks interesting but I'm hoping there is more to the story line that what the previews showed.
I was a bit disappointed with "Fearless" so I hope this one is better in terms of how Jet Li is.










Myriam -



Quote:

Strange thing - in trailer 2 when Jet Li is supposed to be saying 患難相扶, what I hear is
串難相扶. [perhaps an indicator that the role has already lost his heart, haha.]

I still don't get it : the role has already lost his heart, haha.










Myriam -

No, my HK friends don't have a clue either, it's not a spoiler obviously.










OracleBone -



Quote:

Strange thing - in trailer 2 when Jet Li is supposed to be saying 患難相扶, what I hear is
串難相扶

I heard that too...i think it might be code...

Maybe he says "舛难相扶", or maybe he just makes a mistake, haha.

I also expect this film, which is about the Taiping Rebels of the late Qing Dynasty, I'm very
eager for the scene of battlefields, as I'm reading historical books about this period.I wonder if
some popular weapons of that time like 抬枪, 劈山炮，开花炮 etc. will show in this movie.










skylee -

I saw a new trailer in a cinema today (the version at the official website is much clearer). And
what Jet Li says has become 患難相扶. Very good.

BTW, Eastern Promises is quite good imo.










skylee -

I've just seen the film. Generally I think it is quite good, though I am not a big fan of war
scenes. The film is well made and the story is complete and well told. Jet Li's character is fully
developed and he has acted really well. Andy Lau's character is weaker and Kaneshiro's is even
more so. IMHO the film flows better after Suzhou is conquered (that is after most of the war
scenes) and the conflicts among the characters make the story much more engaging.

I like the way the Taiping warlord surrenders Suzhou. I also like the way Jet Li cries when
Kaneshiro tells him what has happened to the woman he loves (hey there is a complete love story
for Jet Li's character). And I find the way Jet Li keeps fighting in a superhuman manner with a
spear in his left shoulder or a stab in his chest very interesting.

It is the late Qing Dynasty so of course everything goes very wrong and everyone has his/her share
of sad ending. Very sad ending IMHO.

I think they've dubbed Andy Lau's dialogue. It just doesn't sound like him. But maybe I am wrong.

The film will open on 13 December.










laolee -



Quote:

I think they've dubbed Andy Lau's dialogue. It just doesn't sound like him. But maybe I am wrong


You are correct, as usual. In a recent interview, Andy said,
“All the promotional material features my real voice, although most of what you hear in the
movie is a voiceover by someone whose voice closely resembles mine."












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Ari 桑 -

As in, bit torrent etc. When I search for 急流, I don't seem to get anything related to torrents
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Search on Baidu for bt. Sometimes it's called 变态, but that also means "abnormal" or "freak" so
you'll get lots of results you don't want if you use that as a keyword.










littleknight23 -

激流,ji2 liu2 , which has the same pronunciation of 急流,
or 山洪 shan1 hong2










littleknight23 -

As zhwj gives a completedly different reply, I am not sure that we are talking about the same thing












skylee -

"torrent" is 激流 / 山洪, "bit torrent" is not.

For "bit torrent", consider "比特流".










Ari 桑 -

比特流 seems to make sense, and it looks like simply using "bt" gets plenty of results as well,
thanks guys!










littleknight23 -

I see.

thank you a lot










rootfool -

torrent=种子 in bt.
And there is not translation of bt.People just call it in english.










skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by rootfool

torrent=种子 in bt.
And there is not translation of bt.People just call it in english.


I see. Then what is 比特流?










rootfool -



Quote:

I see. Then what is 比特流?

Hmm,I had seen the web page that you quote.But all the poeple I know are all using "bt" instead of
"比特流".Of course, "bt" means "变态" too,but it's easy for chinese to distinguish it's
meaning.When I was a student,my teacher told me "比特流" is "bits stream(?I don't exactly know
how to say this word in computerese )".

In any case,this is just an personal opinion.












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I need this whole document translated into english ASAP




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If it is your homework then you should do it yourself.










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"Everyone loves Wang Li" - is that a new hit sitcom?










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It basically describes every woman that I've known. Got tons of clothes, but is never satisfied
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2 french students from UIBE are seeking for a long term rent near UIBE, East Huixin Street,
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Xiao Kui -

As far as I know these words just mean carrying passengers but recently I heard them in the
context of forcing passengers to go to a particular venue, for example taxi drivers paid to drop
off passengers at a certain club. Is this a connotation of either of these words or is there a
special term to describe this kind of scamming, or even those people who greet you in BJ and try
to get you to go to an art store or teahouse. Can you please tell me the correct term and what
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载客 is a neutral word.it doesn't refer to bad or good side of things!
it's only a simple word to refer to carrying passengers by cars or other transport !
but 拉客 is often used as a derogatory word.some people 拉客 in order to have more passengers
or customers through a certain way.so they can earn more money!
besides, 拉客 is also used to describe the way of prostitutes having guests!
My english isn't very good ,hope u can make it sense!










Xiao Kui -

Thank you so much. I think that answers my question. 拉客 must be the word I was looking for. I
was watching a news broadcast abt taxi drivers that were dropping off their passengers at an
expensive club. The passengers thought it was a regular taxi but it was hired by the club if I
understood correctly. Some Chinese businesses seem to have a lot of sneaky tricks like this.










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载客， 拉客
As far as I know these words just mean carrying passengers

To me 载客 means carrying passengers and 拉客 means actively soliciting for customers.












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Lu -

A song from something I'm translating:

離開家鄉好幾個月了
It's been months since I left home
我決定與我的愛馬同生死
I want to live and die by ... side
在沙場勇往直前越山過河
We travel across mountains and rivers
手抓住疆繩與愛馬合而為一
In my hand I hold the rope that unites me with ...

Most of it is not much of a problem, but I'm not sure what to do with 愛馬. Is it the name of a
girl, presumably in some minority language? I tried googling it but all that came up was people
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beloved horse

my beloved horse

Hermes (説笑的啦）

Looks like it's a song about wandering.










skylee -

btw, it is 韁繩 (rein) not 疆繩.










Lu -

Thanks for your swift reply! Also on the reins thing, the original got that wrong then.










gato -

Or maybe a horse named Emma.










Lu -

More like a ma named Em, then.
I had thought of 'beloved horse', but thought it was a bit too weird, but actually it does make
sense. Especially since there are reins involved.










zhaonanding -

Just simply my horse or my dear horse is OK.










skylee -

You might also wish to put 沙場 back to your translation.










Lu -

I would, but it's for subtitles, so it has to be at most 40 characters (including spaces) per
line, that's why I took it out. The last line ended up being too long as well, so now I made it:

離開家鄉好幾個月了
It's been months since I left home
我決定與我的愛馬同生死
I want to live by my horse's side
在沙場勇往直前越山過河
We travel across mountains and rivers
手抓住疆繩與愛馬合而為一
Me holding the reins of my beloved horse

I like subtitles, it's really a puzzle sometimes to be precise yet concise.












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"Scientia potentia est" aka "Knowledge is power" - Francis Bacon

"Beauty is truth" - John Keats

Okay, I've been jonesing for a tattoo to go on my upper arms on each side. I'd like to do one in a
block font and the other in cursive script. Kind of a left brain/right brain logic/creativity
thing. This is what I've come up with, and I hope that it makes sense.

知 - Knowledge
力 - Power

美 - Beauty
真 - Truth

I want it done in four characters, two arranged vertically on each side, so if anyone out there
knows classical Chinese then so much the better for me. I am currently in China for the forseeable
future, so this is really, really important to get correct. Suggestions welcomed, comments
encouraged, thanks advanced.

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I'm sorry, as a chinese,I don't think 知 力 or 美 真 make sense.In my opinion,they are just
four unattached characters,I can't understand them as Knowledge is power or Beauty is truth.

Knowledge is power can be translated into 知识就是力量.
In this sentence,
Knowledge=知识
Power=力量
You can't abridge them or else they won't have the full meaning.

In general,two unattached characters are hard to express a sentence clearly.Maybe just tattoo one
character is a good idea.Because chinese character is famous for its profound
meanings and pithiness.One character can means a lot.E.g.忍.

So maybe one character is enough.










fragmented -

Thanks muddy. I appreciate your comments, but 6 characters on each arm is a little verbose. This
is where I was hoping someone who knew a bit of 古文 could help out. I wouldn't even mind 4
separate characters.

Knowledge. Power. Beauty. Truth.

I guess I'd make it clear that they weren't part of a phrase by putting a one to one-and-a-half
character space between the top and bottom characters.

Knowledge
[space]
Power

Beauty
[space]
Truth

Again, thanks for your suggestions.

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Hi!

Ok, well i've read a bit on the forums so far and had a look around the net for information
regarding teaching English in China. I just wanted to get some advice on The best way to go about
it. I'm aware of the TESOL courses, but i've read somewhere from a blogger that its not greatly
needed, is this true? Also, I was wondering about wages, i've seen around 6000RMB/month, is this a
fairly livable wage?

I'm currently learning Wing Chun here(Australia), and was hoping to continue it when i'm in China.
The availability of (decent) Wing Chun schools will greatly influence where I want to stay.

Currently i've learnt a small amount of Mandarin, and currently learning some
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Mandarin speaking skills.

Well, any advice would be really great, i'm planning to head there in January 2008.

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madizi -

Do you beside 6000 RMB also get free apartment to live?










roddy -

See here for discussion on the value / otherwise of TESOL courses.










kdavid -

What is 'Wing Chun'? I'm assuming its a dialect of Chinese? Are there any real benefits,
professional or otherwise (job demands, etc.), for learning a dialect other than Mandarin?










madizi -

It is a style of martial arts. You find more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_chun










ydong -

hi,

i guess you are in china for quite a while now...however, since i saw this thread, i will tell you
what i know about the salary (6000rmb/month).

6000 is definitely a great price if you were teaching in a city which is not Beijing, GuoZhou,
HangZhou, ShangHai, etc. if you were in the cities mentioned, then 6000 would be enough to live
but not quite enough for enjoying your life.










CheukMo -

I'm interested in doing the same thing, except I want to learn Cantonese and Wing Chun in HongKong
or perhaps Shenzhen. I have no idea how difficult it is to be able to do that.

謝謝,

卓武










zozzen -

the most renowed wingchun teachers base themselves in hong kong rather than a mainland china where
shaolin performing martial arts are far more popular. try to search 溫鑑良 who has redesigned
many skills in wingchun. instead of pursuing only the beauty of each position, he put more focus
on real fighting and make him one of the best known master in that stream. he, along with 梁成,
is also in hong kong.










zozzen -

the most renowed wingchun teachers base themselves in hong kong rather than a mainland china where
shaolin performing martial arts are far more popular. try to search 溫鑑良 who has redesigned
many skills in wingchun. instead of pursuing only the beauty of each position, he put more focus
on real fighting and make him one of the best known master in that stream. he, along with 梁成,
is also in hong kong.

if you have a proper qualification, you can pick up an english teaching job in hong kong too.
salary can be a few fold more, also the cost of living.












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Jake Perry -

out of the blue i typed in my name and got a transliteration
peter paul and mary comes out as - 彼得保罗 和玛丽
so i tried andrew just for good measure - 安德鲁
are these transliterations solid? is this a new short cut?



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Many names have standard transliterations. I take it that Babelfish will have been fed with the
most important names. If you have a fairly common name, and are happy to just go with a standard
transliteration, then you should be fine with using Babelfish. If you prefer a unique name, you'll
be better served here.










Jake Perry -

lost in translation i believe... my question is this:
is babelfish an easy route to check official government transliterations
or do they have their own system for arriving at hanzi for english names?










gougou -

Are you sure that there are official government transliterations? I thought there were only
commonly used ones.










Jake Perry -

from what you are saying everyone with the surname Jones
who immigrates to China will have a different and random
set of characters to represent their english last name. really?










skylee -

People immigrate to China?

We've discussed about national standards on geographical names' transliteration here before
(http://www. /showthread.php?t=2815). I guess there is some sort of standard
(like ISO) for tranliteration of people's names as well. But you also probably know that even
international political figures' names have different Chinese transliterations.










Jake Perry -

SOME people happen to think that China is... rather nice.
i'm sure somebody somewhere immigrated. sounds quick...
all the traffic would be in the oncoming lane. =P










BrandeX -

immigration has been illegal until recently afaik, and now its just nearly impossible?










Jake Perry -

that's news to me. really bad news!
i guess all the people from abroad
living in China are permatourists. =(










Lu -

The best ways to find the official/common transliteration of a foreign name is typing the name in
google and add something Chinese. If it's the name of a famous person, wikipedia also works very,
very well. Find the person in the English (or whichever language) version, then click zhongwen.












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...but not because I want to tattoo it on myself.

I'm going to Taiwan soon and I'd like to know how to say my name using Chinese syllables. And if I
had a way to write it, that would be swell too.
So for my first name, do you know how they usually write the first names of Jimmy Buffett and Jimi
Hendrix? How about James Bond and James Dean? I know I'm setting my sights high.

My last name is a bit of an anomaly. It's pronounced /rish/ (rhymes with "dish" or "fish"). Even
if you could give me the most likely pinyin transcription, that would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.



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That's precisely what we got the Chinese Names forum for. It's so new, it's still got that
new-forum-smell...










JimmySeal -

Hoo boy. Should have looked more carefully before I leapt, er, posted.










skylee -

For Jimmy or Jimi, consider 子美 (Zimei), which is also the name of Du Fu, a great poet of Tang
Dynasty.

For the surname, consider 樂 (Le). The surname can be pronounced either Yue (as in "music") or Le
(as in "happy").










Lu -

Skylee, you really like that 美 in men's names, don't you? I like 子X names (子雲, 子恩),
but I wonder if a man called 子美 won't get a lot of strange looks.










imron -

I dunno, you might wanna avoid 乐子美 as it seems a bit too much like 木子美, and I'm not
sure you'd want people to make that association










skylee -

Yeah I like 美 in men's names. Some years ago there was a HK TV series about doctors and the
leading role's name was 程志美, and I think it is a very good name.

One of my classmates at univ is actually called 靜雯. I've never come across a more feminine
name for a man.










HashiriKata -



Quote:

靜雯. I've never come across a more feminine name for a man.

My Chinese name is 春雯. What do you think?










JimmySeal -

A look on the internet seems to indicate that 吉米 is a typical way of writing "Jimmy." Would
you all agree?










Lu -



Quote:


Originally Posted by skylee

靜雯. I've never come across a more feminine name for a man.


That's so feminine I'd almost think his parents mistook him for a girl when he was born!



Quote:

My Chinese name is 春雯

I associate that with Haruki Murakami and a guy I know who is called 春, so to me this one sounds
only half as feminine as the name of Skylee's classmate.












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roddy -

Also, there's evidence that we have slightly different personalities for different languages.
Perhaps this guy knew he was a nicer person in English than in Chinese and was just trying to do
you a favor. And I'm only half joking.

Anyway, given that you know this guy, why not send him a link and invite him along to tell us what
he thinks.



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skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by roddy

Anyway, given that you know this guy, why not send him a link and invite him along to tell us what
he thinks.


This is clever.










david1978 -



Quote:

Why do caucasians love English?

Why is this the most ridiculous title for a thread...ever?




Quote:

The likelihood that two caucasians mutually speak better Chinese than English is small, so when
you do speak in Chinese together it looks/sounds incredibly pretentious to other foreigners and
many Chinese, and just plain stupid to other Chinese. It comes down to being good manners and
common sense (efficiency) to use the language that between you you are the most conversant in.

Thank you, Mugi. I think if a Westerner started speaking Chinese to me, I'd walk away too.
Sthubbar, you should probably consider how stupid you must have looked.










Lu -



Quote:

Why is this the most ridiculous title for a thread...ever?

Agreed. I don't love English, to me English is just a tool. (Which is also one of the reasons I
won't teach it.)

OP: has it occured to you that perhaps the German didn't think your Chinese was good enough for
intelligent conversation? I seem to recall that in another thread you said you're a beginner.

Also, when talking to a foreigner, people tend to speak the best common language. If one speaks
the other's native language, that language is spoken. If none speaks the other's native language,
they go for the second language they both speak best. In your case, if the German's English is
better than your Chinese, and his Chinese better than your German, English is the BCL for you two
and best fit for conversation.

This even apart from the 'pretentious' reason, which you can ignore if you wish.










imron -

If two westerners have a decent level of Chinese, I see nothing pretentious about them speaking
together using Chinese. I've done it on many occasions and will continue to do so in the future.
Of course if the person didn't have a reasonable level of Chinese, or didn't feel comfortable
using it, or if it's someone I've traditionally only spoken English with then I'd probably speak
with them in English, otherwise I see no reason not to use Chinese.

Chinese, like any other language is a tool for communication, and I find it far more pretentious
for people to advocate that the language you speak should be determined by your ethnicity










jonaspony -

sthubbar,

He won't be the last stuck-up prat you meet. You gotta love 'em.

A friend of mine used to say "Without the wankers you are nothing".

Talk to anyone - any way you want. Mix it up if you like. People who don't want to listen probably
have nothing to say worth hearing. Try speaking to him with a Scots accent - it's halfway between
the motherland and fatherland.

cheers.










david1978 -



Quote:

Chinese, like any other language is a tool for communication, and I find it far more pretentious
for people to advocate that the language you speak should be determined by your ethnicity

This is a gross oversimplification of what language is. With all due respect, this is, frankly, an
ignorant statement. Language is not merely a tool for communication. Language is a source of
identity; language is history; language contains cultural values and beliefs; language is shaped
by the dominant religions of a particular society; language both shapes and is shaped by culture;
language, if the genetic theories are correct, may, in some ways, even tell us about our ancient
ancestors.

What few nuggets I've tossed out do not even begin to explain the significance of language and its
effects on social development.

What irritates me is that all you guys who look down upon any Westerner who cherishes and values
his own history and language as a bigot or zealot, will endlessly admire the ethnocentricity and,
basically, cultural chauvinism and supremacism of the Chinese. To me, this is a pathetic double
standard.










cdn_in_bj -



Quote:

I wonder what the OP would think of native speaking Chinese speaking English to native speaking
Chinese.

I remember one time I was out having dinner and at the table next to ours there was a group of
Chinese fitting the description of "young professionals". You know, well-dressed, looking like
they just got off of work. Anyways, I could hear their conversation clearly and not only did their
conversation include the odd English word, they would also drop whole English phrases in the
middle of or at the end of their sentences. And it wasn't just one person doing it - they were all
doing it. I don't know if this is just young professional speak but I could understand everything
they were saying (the Chinese as well as the English parts) and to me it seemed very strange.
Looking at it another way, it's sort of like listening to a non-native Chinese speaker who uses
chengyus far too often.










roddy -



Quote:

What irritates me is that all you guys who look down upon any Westerner who cherishes and values
his own history and language as a bigot or zealot, will endlessly admire the ethnocentricity and,
basically, cultural chauvinism and supremacism of the Chinese. To me, this is a pathetic double
standard.

Where did that come from? Are we reading different threads?


Quote:

I don't know if this is just young professional speak but I could understand everything they were
saying

Pretty much - it's an in-group, we are educated professionals, thing. 夹中夹英 I think it's
referred to as. Can be a bit grating I find, but I'm not in that in-group.










wushijiao -

I think the biggest issue here is the issue of privacy. When we are talking to someone else, not
only do we want to speak the language that we will both be able to use to our highest level of
competency, but we also don’t want to be eavesdropped on by everyone, or at least, eavesdropped
on by the lowest number of people. This doesn’t apply to the classroom, but if you are on a bus
in China, many people might be starring at you anyway (if you are non-Asian), if you start
speaking Chinese to someone, I almost guarantee, everyone will listen in. If you speak English,
most likely the vast majority won’t be able to follow what you are saying. For example, my wife,
who is in Llahsa right now, gave me a call while I was in a small, crowded jiaozi restaurant. She
started off in Chinese, but I basically had to yell because the signal was bad, so I immediately
switched over to English. It just would have been slightly awkward to have done otherwise. But in
the US, we often did the opposite.

On the other hand, this makes me think of all those people who do language pledges, or
self-imposed language pledges. I had an old gringo friend like that who did that with Spanish when
I was studying done in Chile. He refused to speak anything other than Spanish. Even if you said
something to him in English, he’d reply in Spanish. Most of my friends felt that his
self-imposed policy was unnecessarily awkward, but at the end of the year, he improved probably
more than anyone else, especially in terms of his accent and speaking ability. So there is
something to be said for the people who don’t give a damn about all these odd, semi-formal
social conventions!












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Pravit -

I want to buy up a bunch of Chinese books to read when I'm not in China, but it's hard for me to
figure out what's worth reading. My reading skills are decent although I'd prefer not to read a
book with a dozen chengyu on every line - I like the books written in less "bookish" language.
Specifically, I'm looking for these types of books, if anyone has any suggestions:

History - I want a book that goes over Chinese history from prehistory to the Qing dynasty, but
with pictures and maps (especially maps!). I've been to 西安图书大厦 recently and was unable
to find any book like this. All of the comprehensive history books just seemed like college
textbooks and didn't have any pictures in them. I do have a 高中 textbook that covers the same
material, with pictures, but the book is very thin and doesn't go into much detail. As an example
of what type of book I'd like, I saw an excellent baihua version of 史记 with lots of detailed
maps, pictures of historical figures, and color photos of archaelogical findings. I also like the
"tidbits from history" type books, but preferably with less prerequisite knowledge.

If there isn't any book like this with pictures, what's a good introductory Chinese history book
(written in Chinese)?

Novels - the selection of novels not written by foreign authors seems very small. I'm open to
pretty much anything here if you think it's worth a read. Modern authors, preferably - I don't
really feel up to reading even the baihua version of 红楼梦 just yet. A collection of short
stories by modern authors would be very, very nice.

Essays - seem like quite popular reading material. Any suggestions?

Travel - the Chinese independent travel books, at first glance, seem surprisingly good, and more
helpful than Lonely Planet in many aspects - for instance, mentioning how to get to local
destinations by bus. Unfortunately, almost all of them lack decent city maps. Anyone know of a
decent one with local maps?

Translated books - it seems like half the books are translated from foreign languages into
Chinese. Many seem very tempting, but I worry that from a learning perspective there's no use in
reading translated things, and that I should stick to things by Chinese authors. What do you think?

Also, about how much does it cost to send packages to the US? I want more books than I'm willing
to carry for my later travels in China.

Thanks for your help!



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gato -

I've searched for the same things. Here are some good ones I have found.

History:
http://www.joyo.com/detail/product.a...293128-6913032
剑桥插图中国史(黑白版)
作者：（美）伊佩霞 译者：赵世瑜/赵世玲/张宏艳
English original: Cambrige Illustrated History of China by Patricia Ebrey

http://www.joyo.com/detail/product.a...293128-6913032
知道点中国历史
作者：邱立坤

Novels/Short Stories:
http://www.joyo.com/search/search.as...tid=headsearch
Collections of short stories and medium-length novels by the critic 雷达

http://www.joyo.com/detail/product.a...293128-6913032
Selection of stories published since the 1980s in the magazine "Beijing Literature"
现实一种(上下中篇小说卷)/北京文学55年典藏
作者：刘恒、章德宁

Essays:
http://www.joyo.com/search/search.as...tid=headsearch
中华散文精粹:

http://www.joyo.com/detail/product.a...293128-6913032
影响当代中国人的名家美文欣赏

http://www.joyo.com/detail/product.a...293128-6913032
影响了我的三十二篇美文
作者：贾平凹选编










gato -

Oh, you can order online on joyo or dangdang (they take foreign credit cards) and have them ship
to your US address. The shipping charge probably will be close to the price of the books, about
US$3-4 per book. Not too bad, in my opinion.










againstwind -



Quote:

but I worry that from a learning perspective there's no use in reading translated things

IMO, should you contradistinguish two versions, original and translated, it will benefit learning
both mother language and target language. I tried this way and it was of use. And what we need
concern is to find familiar reading stuff (you'd better have read the original version before) and
a fine translation. So how to judge it's fine or not? For foreigners, it basically depends on
publishing companies, I think. Commercial Press, Shanghai Translation Publishing House and SDX
Joint Publishing Company are probably the best three.










muyongshi -

Another thing to consider is perspective on the history...

I do not mean to be too derogative but the history I read of China by Chinese tends to be a bit
ummm biased (I know all History is biased but hear me out) and the focus is different. Chinese
tend to regard the people and names as important while we tend to focus more on the event. So in
that sense I wouldn't mind have the translated one for a "better" perspective and not having to
know a billion peoples names.

I'm some what of a history buff (meaning I like it not that I know everything) and Chinese history
is one I am always trying to go deeper in but too often it's about this person or that person and
to me I can't remember that stuff. Tell me the stories and why history progressed the way it did
and I will be a happy camper.










Pravit -

Thanks for the suggestions gato! I remember seeing 知道点中国历史 last time at the
bookstore. I'll look for the others next time I'm at the bookstore if I can ever figure out how
the pinyin input works on their 80's era computers...



Quote:

IMO, should you contradistinguish two versions, original and translated, it will benefit learning
both mother language and target language.

Emm, what do you mean by "contradistinguish"?

I'm not terribly interested in reading things in Chinese I've already read in English. But I did
notice a lot of interesting books translated from foreign languages, like a book on Tibetan
culture written by a Frenchman, a book on Koreans written by a Korean, etc.



Quote:

Chinese tend to regard the people and names as important while we tend to focus more on the event.

The comprehensive history books I noticed seemed quite decent w/ regards to their focus on events,
it just seemed like a bit dense reading material, esp. without any pictures! There did seem to be
many books about famous historical figures, though.

Anyone ever read 杨绛's "我们仨“? One of my Chinese teachers recommended it.










againstwind -



Quote:

Emm, what do you mean by "contradistinguish"?

Sorry for my term. I meant to do a bilingual contrasting reading.

我们仨 is worth reading. Sincere and simple memoirists of a scholar on family.










gougou -

On a related note, I seem to remember somebody recommending several books about cultural literacy,
but can't find the thread for the life of me. Does anybody remember the thread I am talking about,
or have recommendations for such books?










gato -

I think you are talking about this book below written for Chinese learners mentioned by wushijiao.
I thought about getting it, but decided to get books written for a Chinese audience, instead, as
they probably pack in more material.

http://www. /showth...182#post102182
中国文化中的典型人物与事件　陈贤纯　-编者，北京语言大学出版社。










gougou -

That's precisely the one I meant. I guess it will be a good start! Which were the books you
decided to get instead?












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Adrian1310 -

Im half chinese, half mexican, my dad passed away and i dont longer have contact with my chinese
side of the family can someone help me what this says its on my dads tombstone.... the first
character of the middle row is my last name, i want to know the meaning and the rest of it.


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skylee -

On the right, it says Guangdong (the name of a province in China).

On the left, it is Zhongshan, again a name of a place (where Sun Yat-sen was born), which is in
Guangdong Province.

In the middle, it says "Mr Miao Jiawang's" and it stops there (it is incomplete). A word seems to
be missing at the bottom. Could it be "墓", meaning "grave"?










Adrian1310 -

Thank you, my dad was born in Hong Kong, dont know what providence, my grandmother said that the
first character in the middle is my last name, how would you interpreted it?

Thank you










skylee -

The first character in the middle is a surname. The surname is pronounced "Miao"in Mandarin and
"Miu" in Cantonese. Most Hong Kong people speak in Cantonese.

Hong Kong used to be a part of the Guangdong province. It is now a Special Administrative Region.

You can learn a lot about China and the Chinese language by searching on the internet. Or perhaps
you could start learning Chinese, if you are interested in strengthening your link/connection with
your Chinese side.












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