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Yanne -

The room:
- is large, can accomodate 1 or 2 people, and well-lighted
- has fully functional air-conditioning and heating
- has wood flooring
- has a double bed, a desk with lamp and chair, 2 wardrobes with clothes hangers, 1 low cabinet, 1
largish table mirror,
- is the only room in the house to be connected to the balcony (by glass sliding doors with
curtains)
- has ADSL internet connection
- has other appliances incl electric water dispenser, electric steam iron, book stand & magazine
boxes, dirty laundry holder, mini broom, mini table sound system.

The flat has:
- 3 rooms, 2 of which are occupied by BNU students (Iranian guy & Korean girl)
- 1 bathroom (hot water shower & sitting toilet)
- 1 washing area with sink, large mirror, washing machine, clothes drying rack, various pails,
mop, broom
- 1 kitchen with 1 fridge, double sink, electric kettle, microwave, utensil drying racks, various
cabinets, full range of kitchen and cooking implements
- small balcony attached to kitchen with gas stove
- 1 long balcony adjacent to 2 rooms with overhead clothes drying
- 1 living/dining room with 4-seater sofa set, coffee table & lamp, telephone, television, DVD
player, dining table & chairs, various cabinets & shelves
- ceramic tile flooring
- helpful, communicative landlord (Chinese-speaking)

The area is:
- opposite BNU's East gate, in an upper-middle-class residential area made up of several 6-storey
blocks with carpark and bicycle shed
- safe, has gated security and security system for each block
- near various grocery shops and eateries around the neighbourhood
- a 20 minute walk to Jishuitan subway
- a 10 minute walk to BNU

Current lease expires early July. New lease or extension can be negotiated with landlord at that
time. Rent up to early July to be paid up-front. RMB or US dollars accepted. Approximate move-in
date: 13-25 May. Interested parties, do send a message to yanne(at)operamail.com!



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kaox0018 -

is 熟讀 shoudu or shudu? is there a difference between mainland and taiwan?



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cutty -

In mainland, it's shudu.










semantic nuance -

In Taiwan, it's shoudu.










GreatFrank -

there are so many charactors have more then just 1 pronounciations.
"熟"is one of them.
between the pronounciations of "shu"and "shou", when 熟 is used in a word it should be pronounced
as"shu" e.g. 熟悉（shu2 xi1）,成熟（cheng2 shu2）; when it used alone, as the extent of
sumthing, it should be prounced as"shou"e.g.
這個雞蛋熟shou不熟？/这个鸡蛋熟shou不熟？（zhe ge ji dan shou bu shou/ is this
egg cooked or not?）.however there's no clear line between them when speaking nowadays in china,
which is quit different from other multi-pronounced charators.












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heifeng -

But if you tell Koreans your age you need to add 1 year for the in the womb time and then round up
to the next year if your b-day is less then 6 months away...thus easily adding 2 years....



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Lu -



Quote:

I respect people for their ideas and thoughts not for their age.

I think that's a different kind of respect. If my grandmother takes her coat of, I hang it up for
her. If an old man gets on the bus, I stand up to give him my seat. If the 7-11 guy gives me my
change, I say Thank you. Jiben limao, no matter what those people's ideas. Korea takes this some
steps further. Perhaps respect is not entirely the right word.










simonlaing -

There are tons of Koreans in Nanjing.
In Nanjing Normal University which has some ranking for its chinese department there weree over
800 students and that was a couple of years ago. These were the highly motivated ones that seemed
to glare and tsk me if I asked too many questions.

It was a bit better at Nanjing U as there were more other types of foreigners so castigating us
for the questions didn't seem to work.

One interesting thing that there were a bunch of British students from Sheffield University who
came for their year abroad, But After they figured out they would get inflated grades at the end
even if they didn't work hard many let go. One or two switched to The regular classes and tried to
be become friends with koreans to talk CHinese everyday rather than Speak english with most of the
sheffield people and in the sheffield class.

On the social side, I have found some pretty cool Koreans to chat with, but on the whole they seem
cliquish and if there is a big enough population in the school will stick with themselves a bit.

I posted recently about Nanjing Uni's if you're interested:
http://www. /showthread.php?t=17300

I advise you to look around some Universitiies in Shanghai, though it will be tough to find one
without a significant Korean population. To do that I think you have to go to the south and then
you get more Vietnamese and Thai students who can party hearty also.

Good luck,
Have fun,
SimoN










rezaf -

i think respect is the right word here .


Quote:

I think that's a different kind of respect. If my grandmother takes her coat of, I hang it up for
her. If an old man gets on the bus, I stand up to give him my seat.

this is called compassion



Quote:

If the 7-11 guy gives me my change, I say Thank you.

this is called gratitude

It's true that they slow down the class but I think it is my fault from the beginning Iam too much
dependent on the class . finding a chinese girlfriend will solve everything










woliveri -

Last week my teacher and I went to a classroom for a study exchange (English/Chinese) and after we
were there for a time, a group of Korean students came in so my teacher asked me to sit closer to
her so we wouldn't disturb the other students who came in to study. Well, a few minutes later
these students were laughing and talking at the top of their lungs. I could hardly hear my teacher
who was sitting just next to me. So, respect for older generation?? Maybe when they are one-on-one
but when they are traveling in groups there's none of it.

I think they are giving their country a poor name and will loose respect from others over time.










Marco -

Even though I know some nice Korean classmates, I don’t really like my most of them, they cheat
themselves through the exams, when caught they cause so much trouble that most of the teachers
don’t even go to the trouble of taking away their exam papers, class times had to change because
they don’t want to get up early in the morning. In China, according to the law, it is forbidden
to smoke in the school buildings, ( actually on the premises of the school), but because the
Koreans can’t go without their cigarette, other students are asked not to complain about them,
the teaching material that should be covered in one semester has been cut short with 4 chapters.
Other foreigners are being labeled as 外国人 and teachers were asked to tell the 外国人not
to asked to much questions because they only want to listen to teacher.
Yeah my experience with Koreans is not pleasant at all.










Qcash3 -

Hmm, it seems that everyone here has had varied experience with Koreans in their schools. I study
at 清华大学 and as just about every uni in Beijing there are tons of Koreans, in fact my
girlfriend is Korean. My language classes were primarily based of Korean students, but most of
them were actually very hard working. Apart from the fact that it seems alot of them had
pronunciation problems, they were excellent at reading and writing characters. Of course there
were a few who did not ever come to class, but this was true of students from all over the world.
The Korean students that I met who had actually entered the university were fanatically hard
working, it was actually a bit frightening. At the end of the day, there are alot more Koreans in
Beijing than most other student populations so you will run into alot of different kinds of
people. However I don't think that it's fair to generalize.










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Quote:

At the end of the day, there are alot more Koreans in Beijing than most other student populations
so you will run into alot of different kinds of people.

That is for sure. When I took my written driving test, I was surprised at the number of Koreans
that were there. Out of 20 or so people in my test session, only 3 or 4 were not Korean.

And how did I know that they were Korean, and not overseas Chinese? Because each one of them bowed
to the examining officers after getting back their test scores.










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Quote:

And how did I know that they were Korean, and not overseas Chinese? Because each one of them bowed
to the examining officers after getting back their test scores.

Thats for sure, I find the respect aspect of Korean culture very interesting. My girlfriend for a
little while tried to insist I call her older sister because she is 6 months my senior....












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againstwind -

It's surprising news which shocked many people in China. See
http://www.asianbite.com/default.asp?Display=708. Or google it by yourself. And you can
participated in discussion http://www. /showthread.php?p=103817

I made two short recordings of the news, the 1st is slow Chinese, while the 2nd is in normal
speed. Hope it may be helpful for practising Chinese listening.

And I need indicate that I read them without emotion and dont know if it will works well. So any
feedback and suggestion are appreciated.



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Here is the text of the news story:

1st:
香港日前发生一幕追星追至家破人亡的惨剧。狂追刘德华多年的兰州女歌迷�
��丽娟２５日终于在香港同刘德华合影，但其父杨勤冀第二天凌晨却在香港��
�海自杀。此事引发香港及内地社会的广泛讨论。

年近３０岁的甘肃省兰州市女子杨丽娟从１5岁开始痴迷刘德华，此后辍学开
始疯狂追星。杨丽娟的父母多次劝阻女儿无效。出于对女儿的疼爱，他们最�
��从劝说变为支持，筹备资金供女儿两次到香港、六次到北京。杨丽娟的父��
�为了让女儿能到香港见偶像一面，甚至不惜卖肾筹措旅费。去年内地媒体曾
对杨丽娟的疯狂追星行为广泛报道。


2nd:
杨丽娟一家三口此次向亲友借了１．１万元，于３月１９日来到香港。２５�
��，在香港刘德华歌迷会工作人员的帮助下，他们参加了有刘德华参与的一��
�聚会，杨丽娟得以同偶像合影留念，但未能好好聊天。当晚，杨父趁妻子和
女儿熟睡之际愤然留下遗书，之后跳海自杀。杨母伤心地说﹕“女儿用尽方�
��想见刘德华一面，现在导致家破人亡，但仍然为女儿骄傲，绝不后悔。”��
�女则说﹕“父亲死得不值，但仍然想见刘德华一面，就算不公开，秘密见面
都可以。”

就这件事，有专家认为，杨家三口人都有心理问题。










HashiriKata -

Thanks againstwind! It sounds very good. I prefer your 2nd reading. (The 1st sounds a bit
artificial because you tried to slow down your reading)

I don't quite understand this sentence in the 2nd passage:
"但仍然为女儿骄傲，绝不后悔。"
What does it mean? Does it mean "But for the sake of her (my daughter's) pride, we don't regret
(of what we've done)" ?
(It could well be that what I don't understand is the logics behind the sentence, rather than the
sentence itself.)










imron -

为⋯⋯骄傲， means proud of ⋯⋯, so 为女儿骄傲, means "proud of my daughter" rather
than "for the sake of my daughter's pride".

So, I would read the whole sentence as "but I'm still proud of my daughter, and don't have any
regrets".










HashiriKata -

Thanks, imron! I somehow missed that interpretation (and got instead this
impression:为女儿的骄傲).
It's definitely clearer now!

Cheers,












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Chinese School - Meeting the Extended Family - When? -

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sooty -

I am an English Guy living in Munich where I met my Chinese girlfriend last summer.

When she was home over Christmas she told her family and friends about me. I suggested she waited
but she felt that she wanted to be open with them. It is clear that they have reservations about
me. She says that mostly this seems to be age related as I am 39 and she is 26, although there is
certainly a sense that integrating into the family will be difficult.

We talked about me going to China with her in May, but I am very concerned that I will make a bad
impression as I speak no Mandarin at all. Although her family are all very well educated speaking
in English will be a problem and it feels to me that I need to make a big effort to demonstrate my
commitment and May would be too much of a stretch.

I am already having to learn German for my day to day work and tackling 2 languages simultaneously
is a tough ask to make progress by May. I am debating not going in May and going later in the year
with a little more Mandarin under my belt.

Anyone have any thoughts or advise on the right approach?

Thanks,
Jono



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roddy -

You're not going to learn much by May, but with a bit of work and some help from your girlfriend
you can learn a dozen or so 'very nice to meet you' and 'thanks so much for your hospitality'
phrases easily enough, and that will be much appreciated. If you had more time you could maybe get
some very simple conversations under your belt, but it sounds like you don't.

As for when, etc - follow your girlfriend's lead, she'll have a much better idea of how her family
works than you do. I might be inclined to leave it till later - not for language reasons, but on
the basis that the longer you wait to meet them, the more commitment you've already shown in
advance. Any idea if the family want you to come over?










simonlaing -

I just wanted to add that don't be so concerned about the Age difference. In China it is common
for the man to be 5 -10 years older than his partner . (partly due to the fact that he often
should have a good job, buy a house and have money before he starts looking)

The important thing to convey is your commitment and dedication to her in front of her family.
Sometimes that comes with time in the relationship. That she told her parents about you while in
Germany and her parents speak English well are very good signs.

I have a good Chinese female friend who is thirty to her fiancee's 52? . And there was the story
of the Famous, genius math professor who came back to china from the US at age 75 I think and got
together with his 35 year old graduate student. So things are relative.

good luck, take things slow,
Simon










sooty -

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the advise.

I think I will wait and go later in the year. That way I can feel confident in having some basic
Mandarin and also we can figure out a little bit our medium term plans. Germany will not be an
ideal location for us in the future, perhaps back to the UK or USA.










zozzen -

Chinese tends to reckon that Chinese is the most difficult language in the world so you don't have
to be fluent at it, but to pretend that you're trying to learn it hard. Some parents like to teach
foreigners a lot of chinese vocab (hey, this is a television, Danshi ; It's toliet, shi shou
jian.....) If they do, just pretend that you love it.












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Hero Doug -

I've given myself a bit of a test; I made a list of simple sounds (fa, la, ma, na etc) and given
each one a tone (1-4). There were about 35 in total. I would just say the sound and have the
native speaker identify which tone I was saying.

I know this is also dependant on the speakers Chinese ability, but I've done it with a few people
now and the second and third are the ones I consistantly get wrong.

So I'm wondering if anyone can give a bit of advice on how they say words of the second or third
tone.

For the second tone what I've been doing is very slightly lowering my voice at the beginning and
raising it, but I think the problem I'm having is I'm not going high enough.

The third tone I'm just lowering my voice from the get go and not bothering to raise it at the end
(I remember reading it would raise naturally when finished).

Anyways, I'm greatful for any advice thrown my way.



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againstwind -

I wonder if you can record your pronunciations and upload here.Then we are likely to give you some
helpful advice pertinently.










character -



Quote:

For the second tone what I've been doing is very slightly lowering my voice at the beginning and
raising it, but I think the problem I'm having is I'm not going high enough.

My guess would be the lowering is the problem. The free FSI Chinese course has good descriptions
of the tones. http://www.fsi-language-courses.com/Chinese.aspx










<<恒心>> -

Hero Doug:

My guess would be that the tone Sandhi is messing you up... search around the forums for info on
that and review this in whatever text you're using. Memorize the rules for the third tone sandhi
and drill it into your soul!

One useful exercise I can think of is to make lists of words with the third tone as the first
character, so write a page of common words with 3+1, 3+2, 3+3, 3+4 and 3+neutral tone and practice
their proper proninciation with your Chinese friends. Just practice this until you're not fazed by
the tone changes and begin to accept the modified thrid tone as natural.

Another big thing to be aware of is that some words like 不 change tones depending on context;
不 changes to a second tone before a fourth tone or a fourth tone that has changed into a neutral
tone, so "不是" is actually 2+4, *NOT* 4+4. If you're not aware of these words, it can really
mess with your head and make you think you're hearing things!!! Getting those squared away will
really help you trust your ears again.

加油！










Ge-lin -

Language CDs and such will really raise a third tones, almost sounding like a second; but in
reality, I would say don't worry about raising it yourself... Say it with a deeper voice. For a
fourth, put more power into it, probably the fastest changing tone.
For a second tone, for now you can practice extending it much more dramatic than you need to, and
as you get used to it more you can cool it down a bit.

I have found that when first working on my tones, I would move my hand to go along along with my
tones, and it seemed to help (that way you don't ignore them)










againstwind -



Quote:

For the second tone what I've been doing is very slightly lowering my voice at the beginning and
raising it, but I think the problem I'm having is I'm not going high enough.

So, you have probably been aware of the problem, which actually confuses many learners. I guess it
is possible that you raised the tone position when you start the 2nd tone, then it would be hard
for you to go higher.

Try to practise pronouncing words below precisely:
快来 快回 快球 快摇
冒头 冒牌 冒名
少年 亵渎

(They are 4th-2nd-tone words)

If you can pronounce both two characters correctly, cut the former and keep the latter tone, then
you are supposed to get what you want.










Hero Doug -

againstwind >> I've attached a quick sample. I noticed a bit of a goof when saying (na1).

Pronunciation lesson one they aren't using full words just yet, but sounds such as fa, la, ma, na,
ha, sa.

character >> I'll take a look at the resource you posted. I only have time for a reply right now.

<<恒心>> >> If by tone Sandhi you mean going from one tone to another that isn't the problem.
I'm just focusing on the individual tones so far.

In the next lesson they introduce combined tones. I noticed that certain combinations change how
the tone is changed. I'll hopefully be able to pull the advice I get from here and apply it to the
future lessons.

Ge-lin >> I've noticed that when Chinese is taught everyone always seems to exaggerate their
pronunciation, which I actually hate because that's not how they actually speak. But I suppose
you're right in saying it'll naturally relax itself later.










Koneko -

Pretty good! Keep it up!

I think there's slight vocal prolongation but it's not a big issue, maybe you were trying to
emphasise the syllables.

K.










againstwind -

Well done!

1st and 4th tones sounds accurate, no problem. And your 2nd tones are quite good and better than
3rd, except ha2. Just try it again.

Ok, there is a little advice for your 3rd tone. The problem (excuse me) is that your 3rd tone IS
NOT LOW ENOUGH. But don't worry. Because of general teaching way, learners are usually taught an
exaggerated 3rd tone, marked as 214, lowering firstly and then raising. It will be difficult.
Therefore, learners are likely to pay more attention to raising instead of lowering and to
pronounce a tone which is like 2nd tone. This also happened to you. It's gratifying, however,
you've been aware of it, 'not bothering to raise it at the end'. So lower as posible as you can.
While practise comined syllables, as you said, it would raise naturally when finished.

As for na1, I heard. Yours was a little similar to la1. Have another try.

In a word, you did a good job.










Hero Doug -

Koneko >> Yeah maybe it is a bit prolonged. Since the person recording it had to make it very
clear I'm sure they said it slower then usual. I'm sure the speed will pick up as I get better
with it.

againstwind >> I'll make sure to go lower, see if it I can improve it.

Thanks for the feedback guys/ladies. I know that listening for tones isn't exactly like listening
for words so my mistakes may also lie a bit with the person I was doing the test with.

After I practise it a bit more I'll re-post and see how accurate I can get it.












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Chinese cover version
《流星雨 》F4

Original Japanese version
《Gaining Through Losing》平井坚

Which do you prefer?

I think the original version is better.

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Outkast -

Hello comunity


I'm not a chinese student, in fact I'm spanish and my english is not that well, so I apologize for
the posible grammar mistakes in this thread.


I'm investigating a fraudulent martial arts school in my country named "pa-kua" (same as the kung
fu style, but not kung fu). We believe that it is all a scam ideated by one person that calls
himself master.

There is no historical evidence of the existence of this school until the year 1976, except for
this letter:



So, I showed it to a couple of chneese friends of mine and they all concluded that it has many
mistakes in it. Can anyone help me a bit and tell me if the letter makes sense? Can you see any
mistakes?

ANY help will be very appreciated (:
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Gulao -

It's talking about 八卦 (Bagua), which is a Chinese philosophy dating back to about the Zhou
dynasty. The martial art associated with it is 八卦掌 (Baguazhang), which I've seen done
before, and I'm pretty sure it's a legit form of martial arts. It's just nothing like kung fu.

As to the piece of paper, it looks like there are several phrases that are very odd to me. I'm not
good with Wenyanwen, which it appears to be emulating, so someone else will have to help out.










Outkast -

Gulao, this martial art is NOT Baguazhang. This is a fraud named "pa kua chuan"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFz2pq01ZTY










imron -

@Gulao. Baguazhang is a form of kung-fu. Typically, Kung-fu refers to any martial art of Chinese
origin.

@Outkast. Pakua is just an older way of writing Bagua. There are many different ways/opinions on
how to write Chinese characters with the alphabet. The Chinese characters used on this letter are
八卦. Which is Bagua/Pakua.

As for whether this is actually Bagua/Pakua, you might want to try posting on the empty flower
forums, which are dedicated to discussing the Chinese internal martial arts (of which Baguazhang
is one kind). I'm sure there will be people there who can tell you how good/bad this person's
Bagua/Pakua is.

As for whether it's a fraud, it's a martial art. Let the instructor's skill speak for itself.
There's plenty of information about Bagua/Pakua on the net, so see if what this person teaches
matches up with the principles of Bagua/Pakua. In the end, it should be a person's skill level and
not a piece of paper that tells you how authentic a person's martial arts are.










pazu -

But I have to say, the original "letter" do have quite an antique charm...










HashiriKata -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Outkast

I'm investigating a fraudulent martial arts school in my country named "pa-kua" (same as the kung
fu style, but not kung fu). We believe that it is all a scam ideated by one person that calls
himself master.


But the outcome of the investigation seems to have already been decided by the investigator, no?










VamosRM -

Hola

The letter was written in a classic way, but I think there were many mistakes in it. Maybe he
hadn't received adequate education to write in a classic way, because he misunderstood the meaning
of "而" in classical Chinese for 2 times...

Even though, I can find out the main idea of this letter:

"It's brought in by my only wise prentice, (his name, written in English), from a traditional way."

"His power is confined to PaKoa's guidance and dissemination, attached with the position of
(something professional and I can't follow these words) as well as the qualification of (it occurs
again) "

I'm not sure about the meaning of his last sentence.It seems to be like:

"I appoint him to be the conferer of the (the 3rd time...but I know this noun represents a kind of
qualification)"










Outkast -

The Baguazhang style we all know and love is an internal style of kung fu. Created by the Master
Dong Hai Chuan.
It ends with "zhang" (chang) wich means "palm". It can be also called Pa-Kua or Pa-Koa.


BUT, the style I'm investigating is not chineese. It's corean. And it's name is Pa-Kua-Chuan
"Chuan" means "fist", exactly the opposite to the chineese style.


Imron, thanks for the link.












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kudra -

There are lots of threads here asking about how to convert a %-right score into a normalized score
(as reported by HSK). The normalized scores are the scores with known cutoffs for the various
grades. Most threads conclude that it is a black box inaccesssible to us mere mortals.

Here is what I propose -- surely lots of people take timed practice tests for which they know
their raw scores, then shortly after take the real hsk, and find out their normalized score. So we
just need to tablulate all that, and draw some graphs – linking the practice test raw scores to
the actual normalized scores reported by the HSK. We could even do some statistics and curve
fitting if we wanted, but the tables and graphs would probably give people a good idea how their
raw scores on practice test will translate into HSK normalized scores. I think this should be
fairly stable since I think the scores are related to a standard sample group, not each years
percentiles. As mentioned here, "These scores show the relative position of the candidate in a
standard HSK sample group."

For example I know what % I got right in the practice test on each section. And I know the
normalized scores as reported by HSK. (As a bonus for modeling I know approximately how many I
filled in at random on the actual test because I ran out of time) If I had enough of this kind of
data for takers of the HSK Elem/Inter I could figure out the approximate cuttoffs.

So if you want to contribute, cut out the form below. Keep track of how you do on practice tests.
When you find out your HSK normalized score fill in the form with your numbers (Use a new form for
each practice test even though the same HSK). pm me the results. I will tabulate them, draw some
graphs, and tables, probably an excel spreadsheet. I will strip off personal identifying info,
i.e. I will not match your data I report with your member name. This way you can see what you can
expect, and see how many more right you need on practice tests to get to your goals.

Sample Form (Copy this, and replace with your numbers -- these are number right. Add any
execptional deviations from real test conditions as I did in the Note section.)
----------------
Sample Test -- #1 from An Intensive Course of HSK (Elementary and Intermediate)

Practice Test

Listening
1(1-15) -- 8
2(16-35) -- 10
3(36-50) -- 6

Sentence Structure
1(51-60) -- 6
2(61-80) -- 15

Reading
1(81-100) -- 9
2(101-130) -- 12

Cloze
1(131-154) -- 15
2(155-170) – 0

Notes on practice test: did not time, i.e. used as much time as wanted, but no help.

Actual

Random fill at end, and left blank
Listening – 5
Sentence Structure – 7
Reading – 15
Cloze (ABCD) -- 6
Close character fill in left blank -- 15


Actual reported score

Listening – 48
Sentence Structure – 47
Reading – 45
Cloze -- 32

Total -- 173
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uchihak -

Hi Kudra,
Thanks for making this post.
I've always wondered too about how to estimate your final HSK score. It will be nice if the mock
tests can include a conversion table from the raw scores like the mock SATs.










yonglin -



Quote:


Originally Posted by imron in another thread

Those of you who are just getting your scores in now, might also like to have a read of this
thread and help out in compiling data about HSK results to make it easier to correlate test scores
to real scores.


imron, may I kindly ask what the purpose of collecting such data is?

BLCU has publihed endless numbers of hsk-related statistical tables, and I believe that everyone
who ever aspired to take the HSK would have picked up at least one preparatory book which lists
all grade boundaries.

For instance, I used the table in 速成强化教程 An Intensive Course of HSK (Elementary and
Intermediate level). In this book, grade boundaries for all sections are stated in %. Sure these
will tend to vary a little bit between different sessions, but the difference should be fairly
small...?! I did one practise test in the book before I took the HSK (the exercises were so
boring!!), and I got exactly the same scores on the real test as the practise test.

Did I miss something out?










imron -

The purpose is to help people better correlate practice test scores to real test scores so that
when they take a practice test they have a better idea of how that will map into a real HSK score.
Often the score someone gets on a practice test is quite different from what they get on the real
test.










kudra -

yonglin -- i have that book. i thought the tables told how to go from reported score to percentile
rank in the population of test takers. i dont know how to go from % correct answers, ie raw score
to a 'reported score'. what table did you use? thanks(tapping on palm)










yonglin -



Quote:

i have that book. i thought the tables told how to go from reported score to percentile rank in
the population of test takers. i dont know how to go from % correct answers, ie raw score to a
'reported score'. what table did you use? thanks(tapping on palm)

Hmm... when I wrote this post, I was under the impression that the scores in the upper table on
p.4 corresponded to the % of questions you got right on each section (i.e., that they just made
the questions in this way). However, it must be the case that they normalize these scores
afterwards, since I personally got 63 (odd number) on my tingli for instance. My bet is that there
is not much difference between the raw (% of questions right) and the normalized (percentile of
the test-taking population) around level 5. Had I not cheated while I did the practise tests, my
percentage scores would (roughly) have corresponded to the percentile rankings in that table
(heheh~~~ quite complicated that sounded). For instance, say I got 31/50 questions right on my
tingli (=62%), then I looked at the table and thought "Aye! That's a 5!" since the boundary for a
5 is 56-64, not paying attention to that these numbers actually represented the percentile
rankings.

My bet is that they try making the test so that the percentile scores correspond to the percentage
of questions you get right, but that some smaller adjustments are made once the scores are in to
make the normal distribution more sound.

For instance, this would agree with the scores posted above



Quote:

Listening
1(1-15) -- 8
2(16-35) -- 10
3(36-50) -- 6
24/50 = 48% (actual 48 )

Sentence Structure
1(51-60) -- 6
2(61-80) -- 15
21/30 = 70% (actual 47)

Reading
1(81-100) -- 9
2(101-130) -- 12
21/50 = 42% (acutal 45)

Cloze
1(131-154) -- 15
2(155-170) – 0
15/40 = 38% (actual 32)

The only score which is significantly off here is the yufa section. But I think this has more to
do with the practise questions in this book being unreasonably easy (I remember that I actually
got an 8 on this practise test, whilst my reported score was a 7).

Personally, I think that this person realistically should have expected a 3 (no offence), since
38% on the zonghe is dangerously close to the 底线 at 36 (i.e., getting one more question wrong
would make it impossible to get more than a 3). As we all know: once one score drops below the
band for a 3, you cannot get more than a 3 on the whole.

So my conclusion is that you can use the table on p.4 of this book to represent the % scores (at
least if you're in the bottom-middle end of the distribution), although care should be taken with
the yufa section in particular, which is likely to overestimate your abilities.

The reason that I'm still not posting my practise scores is because I never took a test seriously
(without rewinding the tape), and I didn't save the notebook in which I wrote my answers for the
practise tests (too much books to carry around my China travels already).










Sarevok -

I kept records of quite a few of my practice tests scores, should I use the best ones for this?
Also my case is quite different, because I did much better on the actual test in June than on any
of my practice tests (阅读96, yay ), which is something that never happened to me before (I took
the 初中等 exam 3 times in total, but for my first try I never got the results... not that it
matters that much, because I probably couldn't get even 3级 at that time), the %right from the
practice tests were roughly corresponding to the actual normalized scores before then...

But still, I was not good enough, as I got a total score of 336, while you need 337 for 8级
Actually there were 4 points missing, not just this one... 3 more in 听力 and one more in 综合
and I could have done it. I'll probably go for the 高等 next time, as it should be better to
struggle for the lowest grade there than for the highest in 初中等, even though the test is
much more difficult overall...










kudra -



Quote:

I kept records of quite a few of my practice tests scores, should I use the best one for this?

I would use the last one, or possibly all of them, but not the best one alone.

As for the raw % corresponding to the % of the population -- it never occurred to me to think of
this. They don't mention this anywhere that I can see. I might come out in the analysis, which
would suggest that they designed the questions thus. Still, it looks like we have only anecdotal
evidence, n=2.

As for expecting a 3, I was quite happy with it. I had signed up for the beginning test, but was
informed 2 weeks before that it would not be offered, so I opted to take the Elem/Inter test. I
had not been reviewing writing characters by hand, and thought I'd concentrate on the other
aspects with 2 weeks left instead of trying to cram writing characters. (no offense taken)










Pravit -

Aren't they changing the test format next year entirely anyway?

If it helps, although I don't have the exact figures, the % of questions I got right on practice
tests was almost the same as my actual score. For example, I was getting around 80 - 85% questions
right in listening comprehension on practice tests, and I got a score of 86 for listening on the
actual test. The only exception to this rule might be the fill-in-the-blank section, where I got
an actual score that was a few(say around 5-10) points higher than my percentage on practice
tests. I used the Intensive Course of HSK book to prepare. Due to my poor performance on practice
fill-in-the-blank, I was expecting to get only a 7, but I managed to pull an 8












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uchihak -

So why exactly can't the muslims eat pork? The podcast seems to mention some kind of disease
spread by pigs as the real reason, but did anybody catch the names of those diseases? I didn't. I
could only make out that muslim religious leaders were very particular about healthy food and they
thought pigs (and some other kinds of animals) were unhealthy.

Also, what was that segment about the Jews in china?










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shibo77 -

Muslims don't eat pork because it is declared forbidden (حرام) in the Qur'an, one reason is
because pigs are omnivores, Muslims are only allowed to eat meat of pure herbivores and they also
have to be slaughtered by a Jew/Christian/Muslim in the name of God following the prescribed
proper slaughtering method (ذبيحة). Jews also have similar prohibitions, how these
prohibitions were arrived at were explained in the podcast. The talk about pigs carrying disease
is because the original Jews and Muslims lived in hot arid places, where pigs are difficult to
raise in a domestic setting, even if they are domesticated, pigs have a bad habit of eating almost
everything that could be eaten, including rotten foods and feces, combined with the climate of
West Asia/North Africa, pigs there are easily susceptible to being infected with contagious
diseases. No specific disease was mentioned in the podcast. The mention of Jews in China are that
they have similar customs with the Muslims and many converted/assimilated into the Muslim
community in China.

-Shibo










Koneko -



Quote:

Muslims are only allowed to eat meat of pure herbivores

This is not true because not all fish are herbivorous.
How come fish are not haraam?

K.










shibo77 -

This is an exception to the rule. Fish with scales are considered "prey" and thus are allowed. But
sharks are forbidden because they are considered "predators". There are some differences regarding
this matter between different sects...

-Shibo










Koneko -

I see. Then, how about other top predator fish like tuna, marlin, barracuda, etc?
Eel and catfish do not have scales, are they edible?

K.










nipponman -

Its similar with us Seventh-Day Adventists. We do not eat pork (and a lot of other animals too) or
any fish without fins and scales.










Koneko -

Buddhist monks are, perhaps, a little bit more fortunate.
They're vegan but they can have fake meat made from dough 面筋.

K.










flameproof -



Quote:

We do not eat pork (and a lot of other animals too) or any fish without fins and scales.

That is very different from Cantonese people, which like fins with no fish.



Quote:

They're vegan but they can have fake meat made from dough

That type is pretty much the worst type vegetarian you can get. I can't understand the logic
behind it too, if you are a vegetarian why you have to copy meat? Makes it sounds like being
vegetarian is a great sacrifice.












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skylee -

I came across this when I was looking for some entertainment shows on the internet. Those of you
who understand Cantonese will enjoy it -> http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/O_buOzcUx_U/

Basically I was re-watching the old shows of this series (無敵獎門人) because I enjoy them a
lot. The series was stopped a few years ago after its 10th anniversary.

Newer popular shows include 美女廚房 and 殘酷一叮 (the new season of 殘酷一叮 will
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Koneko -

Ha ha...

Did you actually get your 集体创作 idea from there?
Good lateral thinking!

You know what, I really miss this funny Hong Kong programme, which was rather stupid but
hilarious, called 笑星救地球. I watched this programme when I was very young though.

I couldn't remember the main actress' name, was it 林家明？

K.










Aweni -

笑星救地球? one is "乜太与李" with the "stick-out" teeth? .that was really funny!












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Koneko -

Ha ha... I finally figured it out why!?

I always go to those cheap restaurants and I don't tip them.

No wonder, they don't use 您.

Customer services in London can be really poor maybe it's because clients whinge too much?!

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thph2006 -

Does anyone know whether there's a way to quit a flashcard session and restart it where you left
off? I have multiple lists of several hundred words that I often can't complete in a given period
of time. I'd like to be able to stop, save my progress and restart later from that position. Can
it be done?

Thanks, tom



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In the latest beta release of the ZDT, I have added my first attempt of this feature. Your current
flashcard session is now saved as you go, so if you stop in the middle of a session, you have the
option of resuming it.

It is limited to restoring your last session only. You can't explicitly save sessions and restore
any number of older flashcard sessions. Feedback is welcome.

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CheeSaw2006 -

What I mean is, is it possible to never make a tone mistake? (obviously a non-native speaker, who
learned the language later in life)



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DrZero -

I think so. I don't think Da Shan makes tone mistakes. I believe the newer research suggests it is
possible for some adult learners to acquire a language with no accent. But to achieve that level
is very, very rare.










CheeSaw2006 -

You say: "I believe the newer research suggests it is possible for some adult learners to acquire
a language with no accent" (any internet links to articles, Im very interested in second language
learning/acquisition). I wish we could find out how DaShan learned Mandarin so well.










DrZero -

CheeSaw,
I wish I could remember where I read that, but I can't. But, have you ever looked at Linglist's
Ask a Linguist feature? It's got professional linguists answering questions from the public.










CheeSaw2006 -

Yes I am familiar with that site. I'll have to browse through it.










Gulao -

Considering even native speakers, even highly educated ones, make tone errors, I'd say no. It's
possible to have the tones locked in your head as distinguishing certain words such that you can
tell when you've made a mistake, and this should be considered normal as low as an intermediate
level, in my opinion.










CheeSaw2006 -

Gulao you say "Considering even native speakers, even highly educated ones, make tone errors, I'd
say no." Maybe I am wrong but I dont this statement is correct. If you are a native speaker and
learned it at birth then there is no real conscious effort or thinking about the tones so it is
all automatic for a native speaker. So someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I do not
think the example of native speakers doesn't factor into my question. An aspect of language like
grammar is not always perfect even by native speakers of any language.










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Quote:

never make a tone mistake

Not possible. As said above, even native speakers make the occasional (albeit rare) mistake. Same
as with English - sometimes you say the word incorrectly because you were distracted, or
momentarily got confused between two words, or simply talk too quickly and swap things around,
e.g. spoonerisms.

They're rare, but you did seem to want to use the word "never" in your opening question. Maybe
that was a mistake? ;)










roddy -

Yeah, anyone can stumble over their words, particularly if they are busy, hungover, etc.

If you ask the question "is it possible to be as good as a native speaker" I'd say yes, it's
possible. But there's a diminishing returns issue here - the extra time it would take you would
probably be better spent on learning more vocabulary, listening skills, gardening, etc. And I
think its dubious as an aim - imagine how nervous you'd be every time you opened your mouth,
terrified you might ruin your so-far perfect record . . .










self-taught-mba -

[quote]Not possible. As said above, even native speakers make the occasional (albeit rare)
mistake. [quote]

I find it quite common with native speakers actually. And certain words get them every time like
gong1xu1 (supply and demand) or chu3nv3 (virgin). They invevitably think the first character is
4th tone because it is a shuang1yin1zi (disambiguation: yi shuang1 kuai4zi; fa1yin1; han4zi). Alot
of shuang1yin1zi get them I find.

Also the first character used in a 3+3 tone combination tends to get screwed up a lot when they're
put into isolation if it is more commonly found paired elsewhere. And then of course there's just
loves of people that don't speak very "standard".












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jsnm0211 -

Hello,

I'm interested in studying Mandarin in Hangzhou. I would like to learn Mandarin in an environment
where the pronunciation is as close to standard (biaozhun) as possible! How do you think Hangzhou
compares with other cities?
If I was to over-hear some locals at a shopping centre, would they be speaking Wu dialect or
Mandarin?
I hope you can help me!
Thank-you.

Mai



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Mugi -

If they're local locals (i.e. born and bred in Hangzhou) then they would be speaking Hangzhouhua,
which belongs to the Wu dialect family. You might be able to pick out the odd word here and there,
but for all intents and purposes it would be unintelligible to even a fluent Mandarin speaker.

That said, Hangzhou probably has quite a large population of non-locals, most of whom probably
communicate in Mandarin. Whenever I've travelled there I've never encountered any communication
problems.

I think there are a couple of people on this forum who live (or have lived) in Hangzhou and can
probably give you a better idea of the situation. Best wait for their replies.










jsnm0211 -

Thanks Mugi... what is the standard of the locals' (born and bred in Hangzhou) Mandarin? How would
it compare to what you would hear on CCTV?
Okay, I'll wait for the others to comment... but thanks for you help all the same










cvkai -

Hello,

I am studying Chinese at the Zhejiang University and this place is incredible. The city is also
very beautiful, specially because of the West Lake.
Well, I have been living here only for three months, and I'm studying the third level of Chinese
(Book: 汉语教程 第三册-上 北京语言大学版社), so probably I don't have experience
enough to understand how standard is the Hangzhou Mandarin.
What I can tell you is: the teachers here at the Zhejiang University have a clear pronounciation
and some of them can also speak Hangzhouhua, but it doesn't have an influence on their accent when
they are teaching.
Here at the University, I've already had some oportunities to talk with some Chinese students that
are studying majors like Computer Science, and for me they have a "standard" pronounciation of
Mandarin.
On the street, it really depends on the person that you are speaking with. Some of them have a
very clear accent, but I can also find some people that is really hard to understand. But I think
that this kind of situation you will find in any city.
Do you know John of the Chinesepod? On his blog (Sinosplice), you can find his opinion about the
Chinese schools here.
http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archi...se-in-hangzhou

I am really enjoying Hangzhou. Feel free to ask me more about this city.










freefall -

I've been in Hangzhou for three months now. The Mandarin spoken by those who grew up here is the
southern kind, e.g. zh becomes z, sh becomes s:

你知不知道 is ni zi bu zidao. My mandarin right now is basically a combination of biaozhun
and southern-style. The words I've learned from the textbook, I usually have biaozhun
pronunciation, but those I've learned orally I say their way. I don't really mind, and as I
continue to learn I can correct myself if I decide to be strictly standard in my speech.

There are of course many people who speak very standardly as well, and if you go to a university
(which I haven't done so far so I can't comment) your teachers will be standard. I'm tutoring a
5th grader in English, and in school all the kids are exposed to biaozhun speech, so in the coming
generation I have a feeling that there will be more of it here in the south. But then again when
she comes home she hears her parents speaking nonstandard and reverts to that. Oh and then brings
me to another thing--this girl doesn't speak hangzhou hua. Only mandarin.

As someone commented before, I think it's good to learn this way. You're exposed to a wide range
of speech variations as you learn and you learn to understand them all. If you only study standard
then you might get confused when you actually come to china.

Hope this helps a bit. I'm feeling kinda disoriented right now because I was up all night last
night. It's kind of a crazy story. I got home at 3am and was full of energy, so I decided to do
something krazy. And yes, I mean krazy with a k. You know how all the apartment complexes in china
have those security guards? I just chilled with them from 3am until 6:30am. It was incredible. Of
course they were glad to have me because they were bored anyway, so we just talked and ran laps
all night to keep warm.










freefall -

The hangzhou hua is really not an impediment to learning at all. Sure, you hear it around, but
pretty much everybody speaks mandarin and I mostly overhear mandarin when the locals are talking.










jsnm0211 -

Oh! That's all really great to hear! Hangzhou sounds like a great place!
Cvkai, in fact if I go to Hangzhou, it will be to Zhejiang university. Maybe I'll meet you in the
near future. Are you an international student? What is the international program like at Zhejiang
Uni, where are the foreign students from?
Thank-you all for your help!
Do you know where I can listen to a sample of Hangzhou-hua?










cvkai -

Yeah, I am a International student... I'm from Brazil.
Most of the International students are from South Korea, but there are also a lot of Japanese,
American, Mexican, Russian...
I live here at the Yuquan Campus (International College Building - Dormitory), and for me it's
very convenient.
Well, I have Chinese classes every morning (Grammar, Speaking, Listening and Reading), we can also
practice some Tai chi chuan, Calligraphy, Chinese Painting and Wushu in the afternoon.
You can also make some Chinese friends (here in Yuquan Campus) and they can help you improve your
Chinese and you can help them improve their English.
What freefall said is right... most of time I hear Mandarin and not Hangzhou-hua, even among
locals... and I think that there's no need to worry about the southern accent.
Ah, unfortunatly, I don't know where you can find some samples of Hangzhou-hua.
I hope see you soon here in Hangzhou. I'm sure that you will like here.
Most of Brazilian people choose going to Beijing or Shanghai because they are more famous than
Hangzhou. They have no complain about their cities, but I prefer Hangzhou because it is not too
big or crowded.












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Hi,

I would like to ask when do we pronounce 了 as 'le' and 'liao(3)'?

I know that in certain phrases such as 了解 , we pronounce it as liao(3). However in phrases
such as:

我回来了
他闯了大祸

Do we pronounce it as le or liao(3)?



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gougou -

In the two sentences you gave, it is pronounced as le. Whenever it functions as grammatical
particle, it is pronounced that way.

liao3 is only used when used as a part of a word (often meaning to understand or to end). You will
learn these as you go along, I guess. The complement (such as in 办得了）is also pronounced
this way.










againstwind -

You just need to know when 了 is pronounced as 'liao3'

1) as a verb, meaning 'to finish; to complete'
e.g.
a.事情了啦。
b.案子了了。 （the 2nd 了 is le）
c.这件事还没了。

2) used as the complement of actions (动补式/动结式)after 不 and 得, usually expressing
estimates.
e.g.
a.我去不了中国。
b.假不了！她就是那个贼！
c.甲：你只用了3分钟煮饭，这饭熟得了吗？(the 1st is 'le')
乙：熟得了，没问题！
d.甲：你干得了这些活儿吗？
乙：可能干不了，太多啦！

3） 了不得/不得了
e.g.
a. 你知道吗？那家饭馆的鱼香肉丝好吃得不得了！
b. 了不得啦！宿舍失火了！


just remember above situations. or, 了 should be 'le'.










gougou -



Quote:

2) after 不 and 得

That might be a bit misleading, think of sentences such as 看一下就晓得了 or
不了，不了！ It‘s pronounced le in both, or isn't it?










zhang laoshi -

1. Liao is actually the original (or official) pronunciation for 了.
2. Pronounce "liao" when it is a verb case or expression, e.g. 了解, 明了, 了结; 受不了,
忘不了, 不了了之, etc
3.When 了is used at the end of a sentence or immediately after a verb (like the two sentences you
quoted), it is used as a verb suffix or sentence suffix, so the weak form "le" should be used.










bones -

Thanks to all who replied. I really appreciate it.

(Quote from gougou)
That might be a bit misleading, think of sentences such as 看一下就晓得了 or
不了，不了！ It‘s pronounced le in both, or isn't it?

(Quote from zhang laoshi)
Pronounce "liao" when it is a verb case or expression, e.g. 了解, 明了, 了结; 受不了,
忘不了, 不了了之, etc

Another question:
Does that mean that I should pronounce '不了，不了' as le and 受不了 as liao3? That's
confusing...












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HashiriKata

so cute baby!

I find so hard to choose the word to continue translate the poem. and you find the best part of
the poem to do, I think is not fair.



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Quote:

when should the moon come to accompany?
invited the god to have a drunk question.
how the time fly in the heaven
where the year stay in the sky?
I will drive along with wind,
shiver gather to form the crystal building

imr05, you are pretty good! Actually your translation is one of the best I've seen. The one Skylee
quoted is literally accurate but I prefer yours because you are very close to the 意境 of the
poem.

HashiriKata, please allow me to dislike yours! You turned a fine classical Chinese poem into some
modern, cheesy lyrics for a crap pop song.










Quest -



Quote:

Quest
so could you give me some useful advice.I'd like to prettify it just as it should be.

The emperor's naked...

I am afraid, so was everyone else..










randall_flagg -

I was thinking the same thing, quest. So who should be the little boy to tell him?










HashiriKata -



Quote:

HashiriKata, please allow me to dislike yours! You turned a fine classical Chinese poem into some
modern, cheesy lyrics for a crap pop song.

You've caught me on a day I'm feeling generous, so your wish is granted!










imr05 -

miss_China_so_much

you are so kind to praise me. one of the greatest man Confucius said " I feel too [very] happy to
meet the friend far awy to come." [有朋自远方来，不亦乐乎？] you make me guess that I
also have the friend I never know.

we appreciate the same beauty, even we cann't get hold of it.

your ID is very interesting. I think if you'd like be a friend of mine, I will beg your visit to
china. you see when you miss it , you may also lose it.












[欧阳江] -

[1]明月几时有？[2]把酒问青天。
[3]不知天上宫阙，[4]今夕是何年？
[5]我欲乘风归去，[6]又恐琼楼玉宇，[7]高处不胜寒。
[8]起舞弄清影，[9]何似在人间？

「明月几时有？把酒问青天。」Try: 「把酒问青天，明月几时有？」
「天上宫阙」Lunar Palace (月宫)
「今夕」今天晚上
「琼楼玉宇」Building of jade (琼＝玉，宇＝楼)
「处」Often refers to "place" [地方] in written Chinese
「不胜」承受不了 Can not endure
「弄」Admire, enjoy
「何似」还不如 Not as good as

[2] Rise · some wine · ask · clear sky
[1] Clear moon · when · will it be [appear]?
[3] Do not know · [in] Lunar Palace
[4] This evening · is · what · time
[5] I · wish · ride the wind · back [to Lunar Palace]
[6] Also · dread · [a] palace of Jade
[7] [at such a] high place · [i] can not endure · [the] cold
[8] Start dancing · admire [my] · clear · shadow
[9] How can [the Lunar Palace] be · [as good as] on Earth?

I also like to say that I am thrilled to see all the great support our new forum member has
received!

I am proud to be a part of a forum with so many supportive and helpful individuals! I mean with
all the great feedback this one received I am sure the next newcomer will be more than happy to
share his ideas.

Great work










HashiriKata -

My thanks to [欧阳江] for very useful gloss, since even if we dig into dictionaries, it's not
always possible to find the kinds of explanations needed here.
And as you put it, help and support are what's needed for members to share their ideas. On the
other hand, although we are entitled to our likes or dislikes, rude words such as "crap" towards
other members' are completely umprovoked and uncalled for. Someone should bang their head on the
wall and repeat the word "manners" 100 times before they post again!










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Quote:

Someone should bang their head on the wall and repeat the word "manners" 100 times before they
post again!

You mean like this: ......?

I didn't mean to insult you. Of course you can translate whatever you want.










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Quote:

you make me guess that I also have the friend I never know.

Sure you are more than welcome to be my friend. I love poetry! 苏轼 is my all time favourite. I
am Chinese but I've been living outside China for a good few years. It's nearly a mission
impossible for me here to find someone who shares the love of Chinese poetry with me.












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