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Outkast -

Hello comunity


I'm not a chinese student, in fact I'm spanish and my english is not that well, so I apologize for
the posible grammar mistakes in this thread.


I'm investigating a fraudulent martial arts school in my country named "pa-kua" (same as the kung
fu style, but not kung fu). We believe that it is all a scam ideated by one person that calls
himself master.

There is no historical evidence of the existence of this school until the year 1976, except for
this letter:



So, I showed it to a couple of chneese friends of mine and they all concluded that it has many
mistakes in it. Can anyone help me a bit and tell me if the letter makes sense? Can you see any
mistakes?

ANY help will be very appreciated (:
Thanks



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Gulao -

It's talking about 八卦 (Bagua), which is a Chinese philosophy dating back to about the Zhou
dynasty. The martial art associated with it is 八卦掌 (Baguazhang), which I've seen done
before, and I'm pretty sure it's a legit form of martial arts. It's just nothing like kung fu.

As to the piece of paper, it looks like there are several phrases that are very odd to me. I'm not
good with Wenyanwen, which it appears to be emulating, so someone else will have to help out.










Outkast -

Gulao, this martial art is NOT Baguazhang. This is a fraud named "pa kua chuan"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFz2pq01ZTY










imron -

@Gulao. Baguazhang is a form of kung-fu. Typically, Kung-fu refers to any martial art of Chinese
origin.

@Outkast. Pakua is just an older way of writing Bagua. There are many different ways/opinions on
how to write Chinese characters with the alphabet. The Chinese characters used on this letter are
八卦. Which is Bagua/Pakua.

As for whether this is actually Bagua/Pakua, you might want to try posting on the empty flower
forums, which are dedicated to discussing the Chinese internal martial arts (of which Baguazhang
is one kind). I'm sure there will be people there who can tell you how good/bad this person's
Bagua/Pakua is.

As for whether it's a fraud, it's a martial art. Let the instructor's skill speak for itself.
There's plenty of information about Bagua/Pakua on the net, so see if what this person teaches
matches up with the principles of Bagua/Pakua. In the end, it should be a person's skill level and
not a piece of paper that tells you how authentic a person's martial arts are.










pazu -

But I have to say, the original "letter" do have quite an antique charm...










HashiriKata -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Outkast

I'm investigating a fraudulent martial arts school in my country named "pa-kua" (same as the kung
fu style, but not kung fu). We believe that it is all a scam ideated by one person that calls
himself master.


But the outcome of the investigation seems to have already been decided by the investigator, no?










VamosRM -

Hola

The letter was written in a classic way, but I think there were many mistakes in it. Maybe he
hadn't received adequate education to write in a classic way, because he misunderstood the meaning
of "而" in classical Chinese for 2 times...

Even though, I can find out the main idea of this letter:

"It's brought in by my only wise prentice, (his name, written in English), from a traditional way."

"His power is confined to PaKoa's guidance and dissemination, attached with the position of
(something professional and I can't follow these words) as well as the qualification of (it occurs
again) "

I'm not sure about the meaning of his last sentence.It seems to be like:

"I appoint him to be the conferer of the (the 3rd time...but I know this noun represents a kind of
qualification)"










Outkast -

The Baguazhang style we all know and love is an internal style of kung fu. Created by the Master
Dong Hai Chuan.
It ends with "zhang" (chang) wich means "palm". It can be also called Pa-Kua or Pa-Koa.


BUT, the style I'm investigating is not chineese. It's corean. And it's name is Pa-Kua-Chuan
"Chuan" means "fist", exactly the opposite to the chineese style.


Imron, thanks for the link.












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